This site is not compelled to grant free speech
to anyone. What we all have is the right to post here on any topic, as long as
we act within the site's guidelines, as outlined below. If our ethos doesn't
appeal to you then you might be better off frequenting one of the many other
excellent Spurs sites on the web. (j) Threads and posts that 'call out' sections
of the COYS membership (e.g. "to all you Keane haters" or "you lot
who defend the club") are unnecessary and inflammatory, and will be
treated as if they were attacks on individuals. Nothing good can come of them.
If you start a thread or make a post that is clearly a snide dig at another
group of COYSers, you will be leaving us.
To promote and preserve this environment COYS has rules that are monitored and
enforced by the Moderating Team. Every member of COYS is subject to the site
rules, which are contained in the Rules & Regs link. For ease of use, this
document is a thumbnail guide (the CCC) intended to illustrate those rules. You
may find the COYS’ Moderators adhere to the guidelines more assiduously than
some sites, in order to encourage respect for fellow Spurs fans. The name of
The Bill Nicholson Lounge sums up the board ethos. This is an Internet lounge
where we invite Spurs fans in to ‘pull up a chair’, relax and discuss Spurs
(and other) matters in a comfortable, mature, amusing and intelligent
environment. COYS has a more rigorous code of conduct than many other forums.
Sometimes we may appear to be heavy handed, however please bear in mind that we
are doing our best to provide a 'safe (i.e. cyber-warrior, gooner, snide,
wind-up merchant and loud-mouth free) haven’ for you to relax in and enjoy. We
haven’t, don't and won't get that right 100% of the time.
1. You
should respect other members and their views at all times, even if you disagree
with them. Aggressive or abusive comments aimed at other members or their views
are not acceptable. Please THINK BEFORE YOU POST about the
tone of your words and their adherence to the CCC. Actions have consequences.
(a) RESPECT is the key to COYS, so please ensure you PLAY THE BALL
(the issue) and NOT THE MAN (a fellow COYSer, ITK or another forum).
If you follow this rule, it is likely your stay on COYS will be a long and
positive experience. If you choose to play the man, including the use of phrases like 'knee jerk' to denigrate the views of fellow COYSers, you are also choosing to risk a suspension of your account. You have ample opportunity to put
your own argument sensibly and reasonably without swearing or personal abuse,
which is only likely to result in a similar response. If you make
a personal attack against another poster, you will be leaving us, so please be
sure before you hit the 'post' button.
(b) Emoticons: Try to use emoticons to take the edge off what might otherwise seem an aggressive post. If you choose not to use smileys and you are misinterpreted, or if you use them to mock or belittle someone else's opinion, then you must accept any consequences that ensue.
(c) If someone makes you angry, take a break before you reply. Carefully
consider if you have really appreciated what they meant to say. If you are
still upset or offended, then please don’t get into an argument with the other
poster - instead, either (i) PM the other person and see if you can reach an
amicable resolution or (ii) use the “report” function at the bottom of
the relevant post and leave it to the Mod team to decide if the rules have been
breached.
(d) Within reason, negative comments aimed at the footballing qualities of players,
coaching staff or board directors of any team (including Spurs) are fair game,
although we urge you to try to make them as constructive (or at least non-repetitive)
as possible. There are members of the playing, coaching and admin staff of THFC
who are also members of COYS, who are entitled to the same respect that is
afforded to all COYSers, thus abusive comments are not acceptable
(e) Repetitive posts/threads, including (but not limited to) those that give the
feeling they were composed before the game, ready to be launched should we win or lose,
show a lack of respect to others. These one-trick ponies will be asked to broaden
their contributions. Failure to do so will mean a parting of the ways.
(f) COYSers are rightly proud of the high quality of our Off Topic (OT) discussions. Diverting any thread to propagate one's own biases is disrespectful to the thread starter and to those who are debating the issue at hand. Thread 'hijacking' will lead to the door marked 'Exit'.
(g) Attention-seeking announcements of departures from COYS run contrary to the
spirit of the forum. If you make such a post, your account may be terminated.
If you want a break, take one. That way you will have the choice of whether to
return or not at a later date. If you make a "look at me" post along
the lines of "I always stay away from here for x days after a
defeat", it will be treated as a request to have your account terminated.
(h) 'Stalking' of other posters, either in a forum or via PM, will not be tolerated. If a particular poster
bothers you, please use your powers of self-restraint .... or use the 'ignore'
feature.
(i) If you have reason to doubt the credibility of any other COYS member, then
please remit the proof to Prof or one of the Mods and the matter will be dealt
with accordingly. If not, then the choices you have are to enjoy the show or
walk away. If people are unable to exercise even that modicum of self-restraint
then they will be removed from the site.
(k) Bumping Old Threads. Bumping someone else's thread in order to mock/belittle the posts therein is very much against the CCC. Opinions cannot be taken out of their original context. People's views may be rash, be backed by data, be emotional responses to a victory, defeat, injury or signing. It doesn't matter the rationale, what does matter is that COYSers have the right to express their opinions, hopes, fears, dreams, concerns, etc, at any moment in time, without the concern that someone will shove it back in their face at a later date. That kind of low quality debate-stifling behaviour is incompatible with the 'safe haven' ethos of this community, and therefore incompatible with COYS membership. The same is true for bumping one's own old thread, which is a 'Told You So' action by those who are low on self-esteem. These bumps are nauseating to read, and don't add anything positive to COYS. Those who choose to act this way will find themselves on the outside, so the mod team would appreciate it if we can all resist the temptation to bump old threads in this way.
(l) The 100% Rule: One of the mod team's pet peeves is COYSers who whine that the reason they breached the CCC is because someone else's post or posting style made them do it. This is shows that the person is unwilling and/or unable to exercise self-control or to accept responsibility for their choices. Every COYSER is 100% accountable for the words they choose to post. No excuses --- e.g. the topic being discussed or the poor posts of other COYSers --- diminishes that responsibility one iota, so please don't waste the mod's time by trying to invoke it.
(m) Use of Sources. COYSers must provide a link to the source of non-ITK information (e.g. specific blog or twitter account) and articles (with a link if possible, and the article pasted underneath) within their post, to ensure the appropriate credit is being given. Do not post information without attribution as the type and reputation of the source is important in helping COYSers assess its validity.
2. What
you say on COYS about other sites, and what you say about COYS on other
sites, reflects on us. Please credit COYS when posting information from here on
other sites, and vice versa.
(a) What people who are not members of COYS post on other sites is between them
and the admin of that site.
(b) We hope that members of other Spurs sites will be respectful towards COYS
and its members. The only way that we can reasonably expect this is if COYS
does the same. You should not, therefore, make negative comments on COYS about
other Spurs sites or their members.
(c) The vast majority of COYS members are justifiably proud of this site and what it
has become in a relatively short time. While those who have been banned from
here may snipe, it is hard to think of circumstances which can justify a COYS
member criticising this board or its members.
If you have any
issue with COYS then PM or e-mail Prof, PM the Mod team or (if yours is a
technical problem) create a thread in the Danny Blanchflower Saloon; but unless you're
trying to ingratiate yourself with a clique of the 'dispossessed', you should
not need to make a post about it on any other forum. This is the easiest means
of achieving exclusion from COYS, and transgressors have no room for excuses.
(d) If you post ITK information here that was gleaned from another site, please
credit the source. Likewise, if you feel the need to post something you've read
here onto another board, please ensure that you name COYS as the source.
3. Some COYSers have sources close to Spurs or other clubs, that give the
rest of us an insight into the workings of Spurs. This is generally called ITK
(In The Know) information.
Transfers are complex beasts and even those with genuine sources might be wise to avoid definitive statements until the finish line has been crossed; transfers can unravel all the way up to the last minute and nothing is a 'done deal' until it's announced on the OS. The world of sports forums contains a mixture of
- Genuine ITKs --- there aren't too many of them, and their information doesn't always come to fruition, but they do have access to people who know what is going on,
- Copycat ITKs --- those who package ITK info from one or more online sources and then pass it off as their own work,
- Fantasist ITKs --- those who simply fabricate 'plausible' ITK in the hope that if they throw a sufficient number of darts in all directions, one or two will hit a target, and they'll be associated with those 'successes' while all the failures will be forgotten.
Most COYSers have become quite adept at working out into which category various purported ITKs (both COYSers and non-COYSers) fall. Forum life would be far less aggravation (for the mods, at the very least) if the 'most' became 'all'. In any case, the wisest course for all COYSers is to make up their own minds about each potential ITK (whether they post on COYS or elsewhere), and then ignore threads relating to information from posters they believe fall into either the charlatan or fantasist categories. No need for posts alluding to or depicting pinches/mountains of salt, etc. Simply ignore the thread and if enough people feel the same way, the thread will tumble down the pages. It's easy to make sure you don't lose your account by losing your head over something as trivial as phony ITK. All you need is self-control. :-)
(a) As the long time COYSers are well aware, this community is fortunate enough
to have a number of people who acquire ITK snippets, and who (as and when
they can) provide us with insight into the machinations at our club. Although
we cannot vouch for all ITK information, those posters with “ITK” badges have
proved themselves over time. That's not to say other people on this forum or on
other forums are not ITK, just that those COYSers that have ITK badges are the ones to have
proved to the COYS mods that they have acquired unique and accurate information before it is
generally known.
(b) Badges are given out for consistently passing on bits of accurate and unique ITK, so
even though LJB (Zokora) and mpwatson (Bale) were undoubtedly ITK for one
transfer, they don't have badges. Others may be 'badged' in due course. If, for
example, mpwatson were to acquire a regular pipeline of information, then a
badge would be his.
(c) Of course, football is a business, and
business transactions are complex - there is no guarantee that suggested deals
will come off, nor that a piece of ITK information is invalid even if it didn’t
come off. Modern transfers involve huge sums and complex negotiations between
many parties, which often break down at the last minute. During transfer
windows in particular, there will be a variety of threads containing varying
amounts of fact, gossip, rumour, innuendo, half-truth and downright lies. Feel
free to be appreciative of the information and/or elated or disappointed at the
players that are purported to be coming/going.
(d) If you have knowledge or evidence that casts doubt on the validity or credibility of ITK information, please do not
post it in a forum; PM it to Prof.
(e) Some like to express their
appreciation by thanking the providers, some don't. Either way is fine. “If it came
off, it would be a terrible signing” is reasonable comment .... “WALOB” is not.
(f) Hassling people for ITK information via a post in a forum or PM, will likely be rewarded with
a site ban.
(g) People can choose to present their information in the style and at the time of
their choosing. If you don't like it you should exercise your right to ignore
it. If you are emotionally incapable of doing so, the problem is YOURS,
not theirs.
(h) Just because someone posts something on another
forum that is alleged to come from "a COYS ITK", doesn't actually
make it so. In fact, they often don’t. Some vendors of third-hand snippets are
less than scrupulous. Caveat Emptor.
(i) Please do not port snippets here
from other Spurs forums just to have a dig at them. That pathway leads to a big
door marked 'EXIT'. Just because someone posts something from another forum
claiming that person to be ITK, doesn't mean that COYS vouches for them.
However, the person named as the source should still be treated with respect.
(j) Please do not port snippets here from elsewhere that are from known WUMs, are obviously ludicrous, are ambiguous as to whether they are ITK snippets or opinion, or make spoof/'joke' ITK posts ..... responsibility lies with the person who posts on COYS so exercising good judgement on this is important to the sanity of the denizens of COYS and to the OP's account.
4. We
want to create a pleasant, friendly and welcoming environment, so please do not post
offensive content or unapproved advertising.
(a) Posts expressing a prejudice (e.g. racist, homophobic, sexist, anti a particular nationality)
that could be offensive to some of our members should be avoided. We realise that this
might seem to be an issue of political correctness to those who enjoy bigotry, however
for us it is about the right of COYSers to enjoy the forum without feeling abused or
insulted. There are sites that exist specifically for bigots to gather with like-minded
souls. COYS is not such a place. There will inevitably be people who are unwilling and/or incapable of chatting with other members of the COYS family, about significant topics, within the parameters of respect. They will be shown the door. We very much don't want to do this, however the good of the community is paramount and if that leads to replacing some bigots with some of those on the waiting list who are eager to join us, then it will be in the long term best interests of this community.
(b) COYS does not welcome the posting of images of a sexual nature. There are
many pornographic sites on the Web; COYS is not one of them. Please do not include
any NSFW content in signatures, avatars or the first post in a thread
(c) Anything not suitable for work viewers should be posted in the Grotto and clearly marked NSFW (Not Suitable For Work) in the thread title. NSFW threads started elsewhere will be moved.
If you must add content which could be
offensive, defamatory or otherwise potentially harmful (particularly to minors)
please include a link rather than recreating the content in here, and please
mark the link as NSFW and be prepared for the link to be deleted if deemed
inappropriate.
(d) Please try to keep swearing to a minimum, ensure that thread titles
are 'clean', and don't circumvent the swear filter.
(e) Please do not post images in signatures. Signatures which are too obtrusive may be removed.
(f) If you PUI (Post Under the Influence) you are no less
accountable for your words. i.e. being drunk/drugged does not afford an
excuse to break the CCC.
(g) While political discussion threads are fine (as long as the topic and the
individual posts adhere to the site rules and regs), COYS is not primarily a
political forum. In light of this, and to avoid giving offence to COYS members
who come here for 'Spurs, sport and silliness', please do not initiate or publicise any campaigns or petitions. One person’s righteous cause is another’s ‘disrespect to my political/religious beliefs, country, etc’.
(h) If you wish to publicise a non-political campaign or petition, you must get approval from the mod team before posting.
(i) Please bear in mind that comments
like "The Sudanese are mass murderers", "The Americans are warmongers"
or "The Palestinians are terrorists" are so broad-brush that they are bound to be
offensive, so please be specific (e.g. "The Sudanese government ...",
"The Bush Administration ..." or "Hamas ...") in stating your views. If you aren't
capable of avoiding sweeping generalisations in explaining
your views, please don't post them. Failure to exercise this
modicum of self-control will lead to your departure from COYS.
(j) Please do not advertise items for sale on COYS.
(k) Please do not advertise any businesses on COYS. COYS is not to be used to gain contacts for commercial purposes, or as a market research tool for a commercial enterprise, which includes (but is not limited to) soliciting feedback for products, prices, locations and logos.
(l) If you want to advertise a venture from which this community (not just an individual COYSer) will benefit, then please contact Prof via PM.
(m) If you have a not-for-profit website or blog, that is NOT associated with a sports forum, which you wish to publicise on COYS, then please contact Prof or a mod first. Once you have the official thumbs up, you may start ONE thread advertising your endeavour and may bump that thread ONCE only. You can also add a standard sized link to the URL of your site in your signature. In the spirit of partnership, please add a COYS link to your site.
(n) Sometimes we come across non-political/charitable causes which touch us and which we want to share with the COYS community. However, in order to ensure fairness and consistency, please contact a member of the moderating team and gain their approval, before making a post in a forum.
(o) Threads which request COYSers to vote for them in non-COYS competitions can only be made by site sponsors. Those sponsors must have received permission from the moderating team prior to starting the thread. Mod-approved threads may be bumped twice.
(p) Do not use terms that relate to illness or disability, e.g 'cancer', 'retard', to describe someone who is not suffering from those medical issues. Using those words inappropriately causes unnecessary distress to COYSers whose loved ones have faced, or who currently are facing, these major challenges.
(q) Please contact Prof if you have (i) A technical issue or question related to your access to COYS, or a request for a change to the functionality or structure of the site; (ii) A question as to why a post or thread has been moved/merged, or not moved/merged; (iii) A question as to the whereabouts of a fellow COYSER, if you have a legitimate reason for needing to know (i.e. something more tangible than nosiness).
5. Gossip and accusations are potentially libellous and COYS cannot afford to be sued. Those who choose to ignore this site rule are in effect choosing to put their own need to be a purveyor of gossip ahead of what's best for COYS .... which leaves them no room to complain when their account is suspended. .
(a) Please do not post speculation, unsubstantiated gossip or accusations about anyone's
public life or private life. It is the responsibility of each poster to ensure any such information they post is in the 'public domain' at the time of posting, and is available via a mainstream media source (e.g. the BBC). If you choose to post such material, be prepared for it to be removed and your account suspended.
(b) It is not enough to simply put “allegedly” after every sentence – please do
not try and get around this rule by simply removing names or alluding to the
persons involved.
6. Make
sure the email address in your profile is up-to-date and do not share your
login with anyone else. COYSers should not have more than one account
(a) One COYS account per person is sufficient. As such, and in order to try to pro-actively protect this site, if we find that someone has applied for more than one account we will have to assume it is a hostile act (a prelude to a hacking attempt perhaps) and will be compelled to terminate those accounts and reserve the right to report the email and IP details to the authorities/relevant ISPs. They may or may not take any action, but at least they will have that person's details on record.
(b) To ensure that we can communicate with you if necessary, periodic checks are run by the Gnomes on the email addresses in the database. If yours is returned as not valid, your account may be suspended.
(c) Your login details are personal to you and
if you allow anyone else to use them you will be held responsible for
their actions, which may result in your account being suspended.
7. The
Mod team is responsible for protecting the COYS environment so please
acknowledge Mod team messages promptly and courteously, and respect their
requests.
(a) When a moderator sends a member a PM to discuss a potential problem, that
member's posting rights may be suspended until such time as they reply.
Ignoring PMs from the Mod team will lead to account suspension.
(b) A member’s response to a Mod team message
is often more important than the original issue. Responding aggressively
to a Mod team message is likely to lose you any supporters from within the Mod
team ranks, and will invariably lead to a suspension or cessation of access
rights.
(c) Any complaints about the way COYS is run should
go by PM to the mods or Prof. Any complaints about the mod team should go by PM or
email to Prof. It isn't okay to publically complain about any COYSer, least of all
those who give so much time and effort to help keep COYS running smoothly. 8. Spurs are a passion for all of us. When the club
is successful all is well with the world. It can be much harder to get along
when things are going badly. Regular sniping and intolerance of the views of
other COYSers makes life miserable for the mods and members alike. Turning on
each other (whether ITK or not) in times of trouble is destructive. We’re in
this together so let’s show some class and some respect … even if that means
walking away from a thread whose style or content you don’t like. These comments
apply to both those who are anti something and those who struggle to tolerate
views that are less-than-rosy. (b) Accusing or implying that those who
choose to express their disappointment aren't true Spurs fans is unacceptable. (c) Venting frustration at on- and
off-field events is fine, as long as it isn't directed at a COYSer or group of
COYSers. Ditto for responding to those who make venting threads/posts. (d) If you are incapable of venting your
frustration without resorting to digs at one or more fellow COYSers then this
is not the place for you. There are many other sites where you can indulge a
penchant for keyboard-warriorhood. COYS isn’t one of them.
(a) Overreacting to each game is childish and naive. We won't win every game.
Over the course of a season we'll win games we should have lost and vice versa.
(e) If you dislike (to the point of being unable to adhere to the CCC)
criticism of any of the players and staff of THFC then stay away from those
threads.
(f) If you dislike (to the point of being unable to adhere to the CCC) threads
that appear to you to be 'head in the sand' type threads, then stay away from
them.
9. Netiquette (by greenegg). The mod team have been giving some thought to the COYS experience, and how it can be improved. We have come up with a few things that we think will make using COYS simpler, faster, and more pleasant for all of us. We would like this to be treated as the name suggests - good manners. Please note - bad manners make for grumpy mods. If we can all stick to these simple rules then we will all enjoy COYS that little bit more - if such a thing were possible. :-)
(a) O/T. Please put O/T at the start of a BNL thread if it is NOT spurs-, sports-, or COYS-related. Any thread to do with sports (not just football), or about COYS or a COYSer, is on topic. Threads in the subfora don't need this.
(b) Replying. If you are replying to a post which contains images or videos, please delete these from your reply before hitting the 'Add Reply' button. There really is no need for replies to contain images etc - this makes the page longer and more repetitive, plus it all puts additional strain on our server. If you reply to a long post but only want to refer to a specific part of the post, please delete all of the post bar the part that you are interested in, with the obvious exception of the quote tags. This will make your reply easier to read and the thread will flow along much better, again with shorter pages.
(c) Block Capitals. Please do not write a header or a post in BLOCK CAPITALS. It is the message board equivalent of shouting and is unpleasant. For the same reason, exclamation marks shouldn't be used in thread titles.
(d) Emoticons. Please do not reply to a post with which you disagree with nothing more than an emoticon. Whether it is the intended outcome or not, this is usually seen as derisory and adds nothing to the debate. If you disagree, explain why.
(e) Textspeak, hashtags, etc. Don't use them. Simple. We have users from all over the world and of all ages and cultures, so let's keep communication as clear as possible.
(f) Post Icons. Please don't use the 'Post Icons', which are the icons that can be added to the left of thread titles in the index view of a forum (see the arrow next to this thread as an example), as they are for mods or gnomes to highlight threads of general interest.
(g) Thread Titles. When posting ITK information or SSN announcements etc, you should include the players name in the title. Also, please don't start threads with a sensationalist title without any explanation.
(h) Duplicating Threads. Please take the time to check whether there is an existing thread on the subject, BEFORE starting a new one. COYS has a search facility which is available at the top of the page (click on the cog to the right for enhanced options), which will reveal if the subject of your intended thread already exists.
(i) Discussion. If you find an article or news item somewhere and think it would spark a good discussion on COYS, that's great - bring it in, but don't just copy and paste the item, say 'discuss' (or something similar) and walk away. Explain why you brought the article into COYS and what your opinion is. Start the debate, and if possible, hang around to participate. If you aren't able to hang around, then start the thread when you can be there for awhile, so you can respong to points others make.